Most eCommerce businesses set vague growth targets like "grow by 20%" without understanding what that means in customer acquisition terms. Sadaf Beynon shares insights from Oliver Spark's transformative workshop that reverse-engineers growth targets into specific customer numbers, focusing on three critical metrics: new customer acquisition, average order value, and customer order frequency. This customer-centric approach transforms abstract revenue goals into actionable marketing strategies with clear budgets and measurable outcomes.
Most eCommerce founders set growth targets like "we want to grow by 20%" or "add £1 million in revenue." But what if there's a more powerful way to think about growth—one that transforms vague ambitions into actionable customer acquisition strategies? Sadaf Beynon, producer of the eCommerce Podcast, shares insights from Oliver Spark's transformative workshop that's changing how businesses approach growth planning.
Oliver Spark, the strategic mind behind The White Company's remarkable growth journey, recently delivered a workshop through eCommerce Cohort that challenged conventional thinking about business metrics. His approach doesn't just measure success—it reverse-engineers it, starting with growth targets and working backwards to the exact number of customers needed to achieve them.
Before diving into complex analytics dashboards and vanity metrics, we need to understand the philosophical shift that underpins sustainable eCommerce growth. Oliver's framework challenges the conventional wisdom of chasing multiple KPIs by focusing laser-sharp attention on what actually drives revenue.
"A growth strategy that is cognisant of the value of new customers is quite game changing, isn't it, for an eCommerce business," Sadaf observes. This isn't about adding more metrics to track—it's about understanding which ones actually matter and how they interconnect to create geometric growth.
The beauty of this approach lies in its simplicity. Instead of drowning in data, successful eCommerce businesses focus on three core metrics that directly impact their bottom line, creating a foundation for sustainable, predictable growth.
Oliver's framework centres on three fundamental metrics that every eCommerce business must master:
Number of New Customers - This goes beyond simple acquisition numbers. It's about understanding exactly how many new customers your business needs to hit specific growth targets, then building systems to reliably achieve those numbers.
Average Order Value (AOV) - Not just what customers spend on average, but how to strategically increase that spend through bundling, upselling, and creating higher-value product offerings that customers genuinely want.
Customer Order Frequency - Oliver calls this AOC (Average Orders per Customer), measuring how many times customers return to purchase over a 12-month period. If customers typically place two orders per year, increasing this to three orders represents 50% growth without acquiring a single new customer.
The magic happens when these three metrics work together. As Oliver demonstrates, improving each metric by just one-third doesn't create 33% growth—it creates geometric growth that compounds across all three areas.
The most powerful insight from Oliver's workshop was his approach to translating growth targets into customer acquisition requirements. Instead of saying "we want to grow from £1 million to £5 million over three years," successful businesses ask: "How many new customers do we need in year one, year two, and year three to achieve that growth?"
This shift transforms abstract financial goals into concrete, actionable marketing objectives. When you know you need exactly 2,446 new customers to hit your growth target, your marketing strategy becomes laser-focused. Your budget allocation becomes clear. Your team knows exactly what success looks like.
"Everyone's growth target I've ever come across is we want to grow by 20%," Matt explains in the workshop discussion. "Where Oliver came in and did something differently, he says, oh, these are great, actually. What does that mean in terms of the number of new customers?"
This customer-centric approach to growth planning requires understanding your existing customer behaviour patterns, but once established, it provides unprecedented clarity for business decision-making.
Understanding how many customers you need is only half the equation. The other half involves calculating exactly what it costs to acquire each new customer and ensuring your business model remains profitable at scale.
Oliver's framework demands rigorous analysis of Customer Acquisition Cost (CAC) alongside customer lifetime value. If your average order value is £100 but it costs £30 to acquire each customer, and you need 2,000 new customers, your marketing budget needs a £60,000 allocation just for customer acquisition.
This level of precision in financial planning eliminates the guesswork that destroys so many eCommerce businesses. Instead of hoping your marketing spend will generate enough customers, you know exactly how much to invest and what return to expect.
The framework also helps businesses identify when their unit economics don't work. If acquiring customers costs more than they'll spend, no amount of marketing will fix the fundamental business model problem.
The power of Oliver's approach lies in its universal applicability. Whether you're a startup founder launching your first eCommerce store or a seasoned entrepreneur managing multiple revenue streams, these metrics provide clarity at every business stage.
For early-stage businesses, the framework helps establish realistic growth expectations and marketing budgets based on actual customer acquisition costs rather than wishful thinking.
For established businesses, it reveals opportunities to accelerate growth through customer frequency improvements or AOV optimisation, often generating significant revenue increases without acquiring new customers.
For scaling businesses, it provides the data foundation needed for strategic decision-making about market expansion, product development, and resource allocation.
Oliver's workshop also introduced participants to SuiteAnalytics, a dashboard solution designed specifically for tracking these three critical metrics. While spreadsheets can handle basic calculations, dedicated analytics platforms provide real-time visibility into business performance and trend analysis.
The key isn't finding the perfect analytics solution—it's consistently measuring what matters and using that data to make informed decisions. Whether through SuiteAnalytics, custom dashboards, or carefully constructed spreadsheets, the measurement system should provide clear, actionable insights into customer acquisition progress.
"The metrics help to guide the direction of your business, but having that information makes it seem like it takes it to a different level," Sadaf reflects, highlighting how proper measurement transforms business operations from reactive to proactive.
Ready to crack your own eCommerce code through better metrics? Start with these foundational steps:
1. Calculate your current baseline - Determine your existing number of new customers per month, average order value, and customer order frequency
2. Set customer-based growth targets - Instead of revenue goals, translate your ambitions into specific customer acquisition numbers
3. Understand your acquisition costs - Calculate exactly what it costs to acquire new customers through each marketing channel
4. Align your marketing budget - Ensure your marketing spend supports your customer acquisition requirements
5. Track relentlessly - Monitor progress toward your customer acquisition goals monthly, not quarterly
The businesses that thrive in competitive eCommerce markets aren't necessarily the ones with the biggest budgets or the flashiest marketing campaigns. They're the ones that understand their numbers, set clear targets, and execute consistently toward measurable goals.
Read the complete, unedited conversation between Matt and Sadaf Beynon from Aurion Company. This transcript provides the full context and details discussed in the episode.
Matt Edmundson
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My name is Matt Edmondson and beside me is the talented and beautiful, debonair, gorgeous Seth Baylon, who is the show's producer. It's great that you're here with us. Why are you laughing?
In our August series called the what we're doing, dear listener, is if you didn't catch last week's episode, August is a little bit different, isn't it? August is one of those funny months of the year.
And so we had all kinds of grand plans for August this year, but alas, we decided to change it very last minute. We are recording these episodes where Sanif and I have a little chat about things that we have learned along the way from E Commerce Cohort.
We're going to explain what E Commerce Cohort is. We're going to talk about the lessons today from Oliver Spark's workshop, what they meant for our business, our ecom business.
And just to give you a little flavor of what's going on behind the scenes, it's going to be a cut down version of the show of the podcast because we appreciate August is one of those things. It's just one of those months where most of the world seems to shut down. So yeah, hopefully that all makes sense. Does that make sense, Salaf?
I don't know. I know what we're doing. I don't know if I've explained it well enough.
Sadaf Beynon
00:01:11.640 - 00:01:14.120
Yep, makes sense. Makes good sense. Carry on.
Matt Edmundson
00:01:14.120 - 00:02:24.080
Good, good. That's the main thing. So, Cohort, let's talk about Cohort because Cohort sponsors E Commerce Podcast.
If you're a regular listener to the show, you will have heard me say something along the lines of this show is sponsored by E Commerce Cohort and E Commerce Cohort is something that we do. It's part of our business network, for want of a better expression. And it's this basically is training, E Commerce training that you can sign up to.
And the way it works is every month we do an expert workshop and we do a mixture of coaching and Q&As around that expert workshop to help you extract the best parts of it for your business. And we say listen, take away like three or four key key points from that workshop. Figure out how it's going to apply to your business.
We help you with that, with coaching. Any questions you've got, we do with live Q and A. And then hopefully it helps you grow your business.
It's kind of like E Commerce podcast, but on speed. It's kind of really focused on being hyper practical, isn't it? And the workshops are hyper Practical from these great guests.
So that's kind of how it works. Have I missed anything?
Sadaf Beynon
00:02:25.450 - 00:02:26.570
No, no.
Matt Edmundson
00:02:26.970 - 00:02:28.610
All there. Yep.
Sadaf Beynon
00:02:28.610 - 00:02:30.090
All there. All, yeah.
Matt Edmundson
00:02:30.090 - 00:02:39.410
Awesome. That's amazing. Right. As long as I've got it all there. So which one are we doing today, Mrs. Bainon? What cohort episode shall we do? Or cohorts.
Sadaf Beynon
00:02:39.410 - 00:02:48.970
All right, so we're gonna keep going with the momentum from last week or a few minutes ago with a peek into the number crunching world.
Matt Edmundson
00:02:50.650 - 00:03:01.540
Don't say. Because everyone's like, what do you mean from a few minutes ago? No, no, no, no, no. This.
We obviously record these episodes once a week to keep on top. We don't batch record in any way.
Sadaf Beynon
00:03:01.540 - 00:03:03.380
That was just a slurp.
Matt Edmundson
00:03:05.140 - 00:03:37.940
So happens, Matt, you're wearing the same top that you were wearing before. But that's okay, you know, it's just. Is what it is really. But no, we recorded episode one and then we've gone straight into episode two for August.
So behind the scenes, full exposure. We are doing these back to back recordings and we're not going to get them all done, are we? Today because of time. But.
But that's what we're doing because August we tend to not be around as much. So we appreciate you on holiday, but we're on holiday as well. Just clarifying. We're not being lazy. But yeah, sorry, I totally interrupted your flow.
Then what were you talking about?
Sadaf Beynon
00:03:37.940 - 00:03:53.460
No, no, that's okay. I was saying that today we're going to be diving into the number crunching world of E commerce metrics with Oliver Spark.
So we're going to be talking about the lessons we learned from his workshop. And how about we start with.
Matt Edmundson
00:03:55.280 - 00:03:55.360
You.
Sadaf Beynon
00:03:55.360 - 00:04:11.440
Know, we're talking about the three letter abbreviations that we have all over E commerce. So AOV and CAC and you know, all that good stuff. So Matt, do you want to jump? Do you want to talk about that?
Matt Edmundson
00:04:11.920 - 00:04:37.260
Do you want to build a snowman? No, it's. Yeah, we'll talk about Oliver, Spock and metrics.
I think what you need to do though, sadaf, whilst I just talk about some of the lessons that we have, you should go into ChatGPT and see if you can come up with a sexier title or description. Then we're going to do some number crunching and metrics because it's just one of those things where you just go, it's maths, I don't care.
Sadaf Beynon
00:04:38.060 - 00:04:44.060
Listen, Matt, I don't think it matters what kind of title you give it. It's always going to be like that.
Matt Edmundson
00:04:45.340 - 00:11:16.550
No. Well, your challenge is to go try and find a different. Anyway, let's take pictures now.
Full disclosure, Oliver's workshop at the time of recording was one of the most recent ones. We've got Monica coming in August, which I'm really looking forward to. But Oliver's is the most recent workshop that we've had.
And whilst metrics can sound a bit dull and uninteresting, Oliver made it actually really, really interesting. And we learned a lot from this.
We watched the workshop as a company, we went through it, we had lots and lots of conversations, lots of conversations. And Oliver has been on the podcast as well. So if you caught that episode, you will know that Oliver is in fact from the White Company.
He was one of the guys that sort of got it to where it. It's a huge company here in the UK and so he took it, I think from 6 million at that point upwards.
I can't remember the exact time he joined, but he knows retail and one part of his story is the discovering of sort of key metrics which really helps him understand the growth of his business. And this is what he was talking about and how we can do it in a super practical way. So.
And the reason I liked Oliver's workshop is because he agreed with me. Oh, yes. Now this is. It's a beautiful thing when you come across experts who say the same thing that you do. Makes me feel good about myself.
Now, he was a bit like when we talked about Vance Morris in last week's episode a few minutes ago. He agreed with me about a few things. Now, about touch points. But Oliver talked about key metrics which you need to measure.
And we've talked about this, haven't we, in our office. There are three key metrics that you have to be really aware of.
The number of new customers you have, the average order value and what I call customer frequency. But what Oliver calls aoc, which is the average number of orders per customer. I call it customer order frequency. Same thing.
But this is basically how many times a customer will place an order with you, say over a 12 month period. So if they place two orders a year, can I increase that to three orders a year? For example?
If I can, I'm going to increase my business by a third, right? So if I can increase average order value by a third, I'll grow my business by a third.
If I can increase no customers by a third, I'll grow my business by a third. The cool thing is, if I increase the number of customers and the average order value and the customer order frequency.
If I can increase all three at the same time, I don't. I get geometric growth, if that makes sense, which is where it starts to become quite beautiful. Anyway, he talked about this, Oliver.
He talked about tracking the number of new customers, the customer order frequency, and average order value, which was great for us. Just validation that we were on the right track. And really liked how he was thinking.
Love how he's got something called SuiteAnalytics, a little bit of software. If you're looking for a dashboard, check it out. We're having a little play on it at the moment, actually, with one of our E.
Com companies, because it tracks these three metrics really well, which for me are really key metrics, if that makes sense. Yeah, that was really, really good. Really validating.
And just again, looking at that from our point of view, one of the things that came out of it, he said this on the podcast, and he also said this in the workshop, and he talked about it on the. In the workshop a little bit more, which I've never really heard anybody talk about.
And this was, you know, when you get these sort of little aha moments when someone's talking, you write it in your notes and you star something or you draw. I draw boxes around things because I thought it was super cool. The way Oliver mentioned this.
He said, you need to understand the number of new customers you have to have to get your growth target.
So if you want to grow from 1 million to 5 million over the next three years, how many customers do you need in year one, in year two, in year three, what are the new. What. So don't just tell me you want to go from 1 million to 5 million. Translate that down to actually how many new customers you need to go and get.
Right? And so this was super powerful because everyone's growth target I've ever come across is we want to grow by 20%.
So it's either a percentage growth or we want to grow by a turnover number. We want to grow by a million pounds. We want to grow by $300,000 a year, or whatever your growth targets are. Right?
And everyone defines it in those two terms. Where Oliver came in and did something differently, he says, oh, these are great, actually. What does that mean in terms of number of new customers?
And so to understand the answer to that question, you've got to understand how many of the customers, how much customer buys, what's the average order value, what's that customer, you know, how many times they come back, what that has. You got to extrapolate that with some clever maths in Microsoft Excel or use suite analytics, either way to come up with a magic number.
So if I know actually to reach my growth targets, I need 2004, 446 new customers. Well, that becomes quite defined, doesn't it?
That becomes quite a lot easier from a marketing point of view to go, right, go and get me two and a half thousand new customers. The third lesson, obviously Oliver talks about them. Following on from that is CAC your customer acquisition costs.
So understand how many new customers you need, what it costs to go and get a new customer. And obviously that needs to be lower than the value they bring to your business, otherwise you have problems and you're hemorrhaging cash.
But so let's say a customer average order value is 100 bucks, but it costs you 30 bucks to go get the client and you need 2,000 of them. Does your marketing budget then have a 60,000 allowance in it to go and get those 2,000 new customers?
Right, so your marketing budget is set around the number of customers you need to go get, which I thought was very clever, very insightful.
Obviously there's other things that we need to include in our marketing budget, email marketing, repeat purchases and all that sort of stuff, which is great. But in terms of customer acquisition going, getting new customers, the big takeaway for me, can you define the number of new customers that you need?
What's the cost of getting them and does your marketing then align with those things? Now he talks about that and much more in the workshop.
Gives you some great ideas about how to measure them, how to do them, but that was the powerful takeaway for me.
Sadaf Beynon
00:11:17.830 - 00:11:39.670
Yeah, a growth strategy that is cognizant of the value of new customers is quite game changing, isn't it, for an E commerce business?
It's not like the metrics help to guide the direction of your business, but having that information makes it seem like it takes it to a different level.
Matt Edmundson
00:11:40.650 - 00:12:10.740
Yeah, it does.
And this is true whether you're starting out, whether you're brand new to E commerce or whether you've been, you know, like me, you've been around a while and you're a bit of a dinosaur in E commerce.
But this ability to translate it down like, I need to go and get 500 new customers this month and just track that and relentlessly track it and go, am I going to be on target, yes or no? There's obviously more to it and Oliver covers that in the workshop.
But you're right, it's one of those things that Is it's game changing because it's very definable. It's certainly quantifiable.
Sadaf Beynon
00:12:11.380 - 00:12:11.860
Yeah.
Matt Edmundson
00:12:12.260 - 00:13:04.560
And. And going after that, I think then becomes. Becomes one of your primary aims really, in E commerce.
And so really valued that workshop, you know, Oliver, such a legend. We've had a lot of conversations since actually a lot of questions came in. Gone back and forth with him on some of the answers to those questions.
Really intrigued by some of the ways he measures things and. Yeah, fascinating guy.
We're doing actually a joint call this week with a company which I'm really looking forward to, actually be really interesting to see how he works. And the other thing I'm looking forward to is getting behind the scenes on his dashboard software and see what that comes up with.
Because I've not actually. I've seen some screenshots of it. Oliver showed me a bit of stuff, but I'm getting into play on it and stuff will be quite cool.
So, yeah, do check him out. Oliver. Oliver Spark. You can find out more information@suiteanalytics. I think it's suiteanalytics.com.
Sadaf Beynon
00:13:04.560 - 00:13:06.840
It is. It is, yeah.
Matt Edmundson
00:13:07.080 - 00:14:13.650
Now, when we did the workshop, the way we do this, ladies and gentlemen, you will not know this because you've never been in how we do this, but what we do is we get everyone around a monitor in the office. We watch the workshop, and we usually have someone leading that. It's not me all the time. In fact, it's very rarely me.
It's like if it's a marketing sprint, Jen, who heads up marketing will do it. And so Jen will get everybody around. She'll bring cakes or pastries in or something.
We'll sit and eat them and watch it on a Tuesday morning, the workshop, and then we'll chat about it. Tomorrow is actually a Tuesday. Last week we watched Oliver's Sprint. But you weren't there. No. Because you are in sunny Canada.
You were not in the office. You were on your extended trip away, thanks to digital. It's like I'm gonna have two weeks off and then I'm just gonna stay in Canada for three weeks.
I'll. I will work in Canada is what I will do as I'm hanging out by the pool with my family and then I'll be back at the end of July.
We're like, yeah, okay, whatever. So you actually missed this one, didn't you? You missed this whole workshop sprint.
Sadaf Beynon
00:14:13.730 - 00:14:14.850
I did, yeah.
Matt Edmundson
00:14:15.490 - 00:14:16.330
See? Miss it.
Sadaf Beynon
00:14:16.330 - 00:14:16.770
Miss it.
Matt Edmundson
00:14:16.770 - 00:15:34.170
What can I say? What can I say? So, yeah, that was Oliver and I Think if you want to know more about Oliver, do check out his podcast. His podcast was super cool.
Really enjoyed it and in fact it was his podcast. He came on as a guest after and this is normally what happens with Cohort. I interview people on the podcast and I thought Oliver's such a legend.
I thought he could do super well on one of the workshops. And so he offered to do the workshop. He did this hour long extra training. The workshops are only about an hour, by the way.
They're not like four hours long. We about talked. We have the workshops delivered in an hour or under. Has to be there because we want it all to be lightweight.
We don't want to add to the overwhelm because we're already overwhelmed. Are we? So, yeah, we don't want to do that. But if you want to know more about Cohort, do check it out.
Ecommerce cohort.com Obviously, any questions, you can email us and we will try our level best to answer them.
But if you would like to join E Commerce Cohort, we would love to see you in there in the membership and of course, absolutely no pressure to do that whatsoever. Just stay subscribed to the podcast. You're also going to learn a lot from that. So it's a win win scenario, I feel. Win, win. Right? So yeah, awesome.
Cool. Anything else from you, Mrs. Bainon?
Sadaf Beynon
00:15:35.290 - 00:15:37.850
No, I think. I think we're good.
Matt Edmundson
00:15:38.890 - 00:16:39.850
Think we are good, which is great. So let me play this theme tune in the background because it's time to end the show.
Thank you so much for listening to our special August series where we've looked at Cohort with Oliver Spark. Next week we are looking at Marketing Personas with Neil Hawt. I'm laughing because I don't actually know when I'm going to record the next one.
So we're going to get into that. Obviously all that's left for me to say is you are awesome. Created awesome. Always like to finish the podcast off with this positive note.
It's just a burden you have to bear. Sadaf has to bear it. I've got to bear it. You've got to bear it too. Have a fantastic week wherever you are in the world.
I see that all the music's finished already. I talked way too long. Have a fantastic me Play it again. There we go. Have a fantastic week. It's the high professionalism here, ladies and gentlemen.
Have a fantastic week wherever you are in the world. We'll see you next time. Bye for now. Sa.
Sadaf Beynon
Aurion Company